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I really wonder why...


I was recently talking with my fiance and was asking about the origin of differences between shia and sunni.
After i got to the source of the disagreements we were both just wondering why the beloved Profet (may peace be upon him), didnt stated clearly the successor after him.
Why merciful Allah didn't let that to happen?
There must be a reason.
I cant help thinking was it just to test muslims? because now that issue is still separating brothers and sisters eventhough their faith shoul always bring them together.
As u know, im not born to arabic culture and im also recently found the mercy of Allah. Am i doing wrong when wondering these things?
Why some people keep digging the history for disagreements when we should only trust that Allah will do only what is ment to be and no human can do against his intentions. What ever is ment to happen will happen on it's time.
by dimah8
17 Nov 2008, 7:39 pm
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you're not doing the wrong thing, I in fact still wonder these things...can't wait to see what our ummah on MS has to say
by ja_tu_miluju
17 Nov 2008, 7:40 pm
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AbuBakr being the Khalifah after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, saw, was Allah's will. There is nothing that happens without Allah's will. So, put simply, if Allah had Willed Ali to be the successor, he would have been because Allah is the One who has the Power to make whatever He Wills happen.

To say that something was not supposed to happen, is to say that Allah doesn't have control or power over all His creation. Can Allah, subhaana wa taala, be wrong? No. He is the Perfection. Therefore, everything that happened in the past was meant to be - exactly and precisely to the second Allah planned it. The test lies in accepting Allah's will or rejecting it and being in a state of shirk and kufr (disbelief).

Was that okay, or did it end up not so simple after all? I think I'm confirming that your thinking is correct.
by Maizee
17 Nov 2008, 7:56 pm
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2- the other one is that if he appointed Ali radhyaAllahuAnhu as a khalif, then that would imply the muslim ummah becomes a kingdom, where the leader is from the family of the prophet pbuh. But this is a against the message of islam, as the prophet pbuh was not asking for kingship in his dawa. and this is maybe the reason Allah took away all of the prophet's sons, and none survived. and this was understood by Hiraql, the king of the romans at the time, when he asked after the prophet's death, who become the leader of the muslims after him. they said AbuBakr, who is not from his family, he said, then he is a prophet, otherwise he would've picked someone from his family.hope this clears the misconception anything else, i am happy to discuss it ...

Salam aliekum. I don't think that Ali being appointed would have led to a kingdom nor a monarchy, Ali was raised by the Holy Prophet (saw) and would not go against the teachings of Islam.

To the topic starter: I do believe that this a test for us, just as he tested all others before us. Furthurmore, the shias believe that the Prophet announced Ali's caliphate during his last Hajj piilgrimage, where both Abu Bakr and Omar were present.

by siratalmustaqeem
18 Nov 2008, 3:19 am
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Thank u for ur all replyings. :) it cleared this thing bit more.
peace for all of u.
by dimah8
18 Nov 2008, 6:28 am
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Ukhti this matter has been discussed extensively in many books these include tablisuliblis by ibn al jawzi and many others.there is a translated version by bilal phillips.you should read it.the shia doctrine is one made fully of falsehood and they have led rebellions against many great leaders like al mu'tasim.You should be very vigilant regarding their lies.shias insult the wives of the prophet and consider all sahabas apostates except 3 and also they make lawful the mut'ah marriage and many other even they believe umar 'hid a part of the quran'.These vicinities of their creed will always be the reason why we consider them ENEMIES OF THE NARRATION AND HERETICAL INNOVATORS.
by sayfidun
18 Nov 2008, 9:07 am
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Ukhti this matter has been discussed extensively in many books these include tablisuliblis by ibn al jawzi and many others.there is a translated version by bilal phillips.you should read it.the shia doctrine is one made fully of falsehood and they have led rebellions against many great leaders like al mu'tasim.You should be very vigilant regarding their lies.shias insult the wives of the prophet and consider all sahabas apostates except 3 and also they make lawful the mut'ah marriage and many other even they believe umar 'hid a part of the quran'.These vicinities of their creed will always be the reason why we consider them ENEMIES OF THE NARRATION AND HERETICAL INNOVATORS.

You may call shia innovators or whatever else you would like but let me make one correction brother. No shia believes that Omar hid a part of the Holy Quran, please fabricate and mislead others...Also, shias do not insult the wives of Holy Prophet but they do not think highly of Ashia because of the rebellion she began during Ali's caliphate on the basis of revenge that cost the lives of many Muslims and partly because of reported jealously she had towards Khadija, may peace be upon her. JazakAllah khair.

by siratalmustaqeem
18 Nov 2008, 5:05 pm
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AbuBakr being the Khalifah after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, saw, was Allah's will. There is nothing that happens without Allah's will. So, put simply, if Allah had Willed Ali to be the successor, he would have been because Allah is the One who has the Power to make whatever He Wills happen. To say that something was not supposed to happen, is to say that Allah doesn't have control or power over all His creation. Can Allah, subhaana wa taala, be wrong? No. He is the Perfection. Therefore, everything that happened in the past was meant to be - exactly and precisely to the second Allah planned it. The test lies in accepting Allah's will or rejecting it and being in a state of shirk and kufr (disbelief).Was that okay, or did it end up not so simple after all? I think I'm confirming that your thinking is correct.

Yes, it is the will of Allah. Just like it was the will of Allah to let Bush become president and let Saddam masacre hundreds of people. If this argument had not begun, we would not have sects in Islam and Ali and Fatima would not be remembered by the shias as they are today.

by siratalmustaqeem
18 Nov 2008, 5:08 pm
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huh,
hey brothers and sisters just calm down.

I was wondering this issue, but most of all i'm wondering why people r not doing all they can to put these in the past. (sorry im generalasing)
We r allowed to have opinions
and i think  if a person is strong in faith the person also dont feel threatened by hearing other's different opinions.

i mean for both sunni and shia, be proud, but most of all just be muslims.  May Allah bless u all!
by dimah8
20 Nov 2008, 6:27 am
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huh, hey brothers and sisters just calm down.I was wondering this issue, but most of all i'm wondering why people r not doing all they can to put these in the past. (sorry im generalasing)We r allowed to have opinionsand i think  if a person is strong in faith the person also dont feel threatened by hearing other's different opinions.i mean for both sunni and shia, be proud, but most of all just be muslims.  May Allah bless u all!

Agreed! JazakAllah!

by siratalmustaqeem
20 Nov 2008, 8:33 pm
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